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Thank you, Doctor West.

Kanye West wrote: 442r17

Actually the triceps have nothing to do with streaming speed. That would be the intrinsic lumbricals and the extensor digitorum. Streaming involves rapid extension and flexion of the metacarpophalangeal ts of your index and middle finger as well as some pronation/supination of the forearm. The triceps actually extend the entire forearm and don't really contribute.

tl;dr wrong muscle
a tl;dr for three lines?
what's wrong with you guys.
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big word r hard 2 read

Kanye West wrote: 442r17

Actually the triceps have nothing to do with streaming speed. That would be the intrinsic lumbricals and the extensor digitorum. Streaming involves rapid extension and flexion of the metacarpophalangeal ts of your index and middle finger as well as some pronation/supination of the forearm. The triceps actually extend the entire forearm and don't really contribute.

tl;dr wrong muscle
I wished I was as intelligent as you are
But that isn't intelligence, that's just knowledge
but knowledgable is such a hard word compared to intelligent
"I wish I'd know as much as you do" will do just fine.

Purlpo wrote: 5o1ei

Kanye West wrote: 442r17

Actually the triceps have nothing to do with streaming speed. That would be the intrinsic lumbricals and the extensor digitorum. Streaming involves rapid extension and flexion of the metacarpophalangeal ts of your index and middle finger as well as some pronation/supination of the forearm. The triceps actually extend the entire forearm and don't really contribute.

tl;dr wrong muscle
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No you don't, I'm retarded. I just know big words
but i thought big words = intelligent

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no "how to improve at spinners (for mouse-s)" :?

Elit3noob wrote: 6n3q6x

no "how to improve at spinners (for mouse-s)" :?
Make really tiny circles around the center of the spinner.
It works really well that way~

Elit3noob wrote: 6n3q6x

no "how to improve at spinners (for mouse-s)" :?
spin small circles, gradually raise speed when you're confident in drawing scribbly circles
Or try to use lower sensitivity. Lower sensitivity helps you spinning in small circles a lot.
you guys sure about spinning with smaller circles? I tried it ages ago but I seem to spin much slower when I do small circles

Elit3noob wrote: 6n3q6x

you guys sure about spinning with smaller circles? I tried it ages ago but I seem to spin much slower when I do small circles
Once u get used to it, u will spin faster with smaller circles. Also, u have more control over ur mouse. With big circles the chance of missing a hitcircle right after the spinner is much higher because u have to find the cursor first..

However, it takes long to get fast at spinning.. When I started 6 months ago i spinned about 250 spm. Now It's around 380-420, sometimes more.
In the end, it's all practice.
spinning in small circles is not nnecessarily faster, but it gives you a lot more control over your cursor.
if you are spinning all over the screen and right after the spinner there are some jumps you first have to find back your cursor, then reposition, and then do the jumps. if you spin small circles you already know where the cursor is, you can do the repositioning during the spinning and dont have to worry about anything.

Elit3noob wrote: 6n3q6x

no "how to improve at spinners (for mouse-s)" :?
How to improve at mouse: copy kriers
It used to be "Copy taNa"
doesn't really matter where you spin in relation to the center as long as it is not random spamming motion. It just has to be decently close and accurate. most noobs just panic throw their cursor everywhere .

thelewa wrote: 4e2o3k

It used to be "Copy taNa"
I copied taNa

winber1 wrote: z3x6i

doesn't really matter where you spin in relation to the center as long as it is not random spamming motion. It just has to be decently close and accurate. most noobs just panic throw their cursor everywhere .
But Rucker's spinning was random spamming motion.

I mean he just tensed his hand until it started shaking and then he tried to spin at the same time.

thelewa wrote: 4e2o3k

winber1 wrote: z3x6i

doesn't really matter where you spin in relation to the center as long as it is not random spamming motion. It just has to be decently close and accurate. most noobs just panic throw their cursor everywhere .
But Rucker's spinning was random spamming motion.

I mean he just tensed his hand until it started shaking and then he tried to spin at the same time.
That's basically what I do too

thelewa wrote: 4e2o3k

winber1 wrote: z3x6i

doesn't really matter where you spin in relation to the center as long as it is not random spamming motion. It just has to be decently close and accurate. most noobs just panic throw their cursor everywhere .
But Rucker's spinning was random spamming motion.

I mean he just tensed his hand until it started shaking and then he tried to spin at the same time.
He played with a super small area too so yeah.
It really makes no difference what kind of sensitivity you have if you want to spin well. It's just that it's easier to know how well you're spinning in regards to the center of the spinner if the circles are small. I actually tried spinning with 5700 dpi and mouse accel on and max sensitivity in game, basically it was so ridiculously high that even doing smallest movement would make your mouse go to the edge of the screen, and even with those "squares" the spins were still just as good. :p
Thanks
The way I see it, small circles are better for when you have low DPI, but high DPI is really difficult to control with small motions like that, so to get the same result you need to do larger circles.
hardest part of the entire game is keeping the pen close to the damn tablet, if there was a tablet that never dc'd based on distance i'd be amazing

Unkind wrote: 3l3c3b

hardest part of the entire game is keeping the pen close to the damn tablet, if there was a tablet that never dc'd based on distance i'd be amazing
You can always drag, and it's okay if you accidentally tap too if you disable mouse clicks.
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Sticky this kawaii uguu thread desu pls
A good trick to spin faster is using a tiny cursor (so you can do tiny circles without obscuring the center of the spinner). My spin speed improved considerably (from about 380 average to 420 average, about 460 when I put an effort in spinning) when I changed my cursor's size from about 51x51 pixels to 26x26 pixels (I use a tablet BTW, I don't know if that would help with a mouse), also, with enough muscle memory maybe you don't need visual at all to spin.
It's easier to spin in large circles with a mouse. I actually preferred to spin in medium or large-sized circles when I used mouse because it was more natural that way.
It's different for everyone, Kanye. My spins with tablet are waaaay larger than my mouse spins. (might be because of recent area change but still)
spinner size is 100% dependant on the area/dpi you are using for mouse and tablet...
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I do the tiniest spins in osu!
Has anybody actually improved from this?
My accuracy improved by about 2% thanks to this.

kriers wrote: 726116

spinner size is 100% dependant on the area/dpi you are using for mouse and tablet...
not true, my spinner size changed but my dpi didnt. its also dependant on how good you are at controlling your cursor.

silmarilen wrote: 15bw

kriers wrote: 726116

spinner size is 100% dependant on the area/dpi you are using for mouse and tablet...
not true, my spinner size changed but my dpi didnt. its also dependant on how good you are at controlling your cursor.
given you spin the same, it really is.

buny wrote: 22l5t

Has anybody actually improved from this?
I improved really a lot, raised my accuracy, aiming and streaming skillz. All thanks to this advice:
SPOILER

jesus1412 wrote: 4s456t

Basically, practice.

buny wrote: 22l5t

Has anybody actually improved from this?
Yup, just keep practicing and practicing.
Oh I didn't know you improved by practicing.
Topic Starter

buny wrote: 22l5t

Oh I didn't know you improved by practicing.
That's why I made this thread 8-)
practicing certain things made me worse at other things

jesse what do

halp
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Aqo wrote: 2f6o2o

practicing certain things made me worse at other things

jesse what do

halp
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Aren't there any tips regarding how to improve overall endurance and finger speed?

That would be most welcome as I personally cant accurately stream faster than 180 bpm :(
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Zakdawg wrote: 6z6e4l

Aren't there any tips regarding how to improve overall endurance and finger speed?

That would be most welcome as I personally cant accurately stream faster than 180 bpm :(
Personally I'd say short fast streams help, but really it is just practice.
lift n strem 500bpm
she_old
sticky pls
Lift lift stream lift lift stream...
I'm not sure if what I'm gonna say happens only to me, but I believe other players might experience at least similar issues. Sorry for the wall of text down below.


Basically, I started out as a mouse only . It was the most intuitive thing at that time and easier than trying to use the keyboard + mouse. Then I ran into a big problem - my mouse grip vs "moving triplets" and streams. When I played mouse only, I noticed that I "lock" my mouse movement when I click for coordination and stability - this made triplets and streams super difficult. I lose stability and my cursor ends up shaking too much if I don't lock my mouse position because I'm a claw grip/fingertip kind of player. I'm pretty sure a palm grip would "solve" this issue, but that's out of the question at this point. I wanted to know out of curiosity though - are there ANY really high level mouse only claw grip players who do streams without problems?

This is the reason I decided to switch to mouse + keyboard. Triplets are pretty easy to do now. Yeah, I got better, so even if I play without a keyboard it's not too hard anymore, but it's still a bit tricky when it's not a static triplet. Streaming is way easier too. However, I found out I have a new issue - jumps.

when I said I "lock" my mouse position when I only use my mouse? I've recently come to realize that this makes sick jumps much easier to do. It's much harder to coordinate mouse + keyboard when doing jumps, like if I miss a single note I usually lose track the pattern (and my accuracy is just worse this way too). It's like my mouse moves in a different way if I do jumps with mouse only... a better way. I love to play some insanely hard songs on slow... when playing airman it took me quite a while to get my jumps with mouse + keyboard close to the level of my jumps with mouse only. And I'd never been able to get to the first break in the big black on slow because of those sick jumps, but yesterday I noticed that I actually COULD get to that part if I used my mouse button to do the jumps. My "jumping accuracy" feels smoother this way. Is this by any means normal?

My problem is that a hybrid technique like this might make things confusing because I always need to decide how to play certain parts. I'd rather have a reliable style than having to worry about how to practice and having a less consistent technique. But I'm afraid my keyboard + mouse jumps might not be able to catch up with my mouse only jumps... I wonder if I should keep on practicing keyboard + mouse exclusively, maybe try to retrain my muscle memory for jumps in a way or something... Any thoughts or similar experiences? Any words of encouragement towards either style are appreciated.


TLDR - Moving triplets and streaming feel harder with a mouse only claw grip / fingertip style, but sick jumps feel harder with keyboard + mouse. Not sure if I should work on a hybrid technique or keep practicing sick jumps with keyboard + mouse. :(

FlameseeK wrote: 3x3i1z

I'm not sure if what I'm gonna say happens only to me, but I believe other players might experience at least similar issues. Sorry for the wall of text down below.


Basically, I started out as a mouse only . It was the most intuitive thing at that time and easier than trying to use the keyboard + mouse. Then I ran into a big problem - my mouse grip vs "moving triplets" and streams. When I played mouse only, I noticed that I "lock" my mouse movement when I click for coordination and stability - this made triplets and streams super difficult. I lose stability and my cursor ends up shaking too much if I don't lock my mouse position because I'm a claw grip/fingertip kind of player. I'm pretty sure a palm grip would "solve" this issue, but that's out of the question at this point. I wanted to know out of curiosity though - are there ANY really high level mouse only claw grip players who do streams without problems?

This is the reason I decided to switch to mouse + keyboard. Triplets are pretty easy to do now. Yeah, I got better, so even if I play without a keyboard it's not too hard anymore, but it's still a bit tricky when it's not a static triplet. Streaming is way easier too. However, I found out I have a new issue - jumps.

when I said I "lock" my mouse position when I only use my mouse? I've recently come to realize that this makes sick jumps much easier to do. It's much harder to coordinate mouse + keyboard when doing jumps, like if I miss a single note I usually lose track the pattern (and my accuracy is just worse this way too). It's like my mouse moves in a different way if I do jumps with mouse only... a better way. I love to play some insanely hard songs on slow... when playing airman it took me quite a while to get my jumps with mouse + keyboard close to the level of my jumps with mouse only. And I'd never been able to get to the first break in the big black on slow because of those sick jumps, but yesterday I noticed that I actually COULD get to that part if I used my mouse button to do the jumps. My "jumping accuracy" feels smoother this way. Is this by any means normal?

My problem is that a hybrid technique like this might make things confusing because I always need to decide how to play certain parts. I'd rather have a reliable style than having to worry about how to practice and having a less consistent technique. But I'm afraid my keyboard + mouse jumps might not be able to catch up with my mouse only jumps... I wonder if I should keep on practicing keyboard + mouse exclusively, maybe try to retrain my muscle memory for jumps in a way or something... Any thoughts or similar experiences? Any words of encouragement towards either style are appreciated.


TLDR - Moving triplets and streaming feel harder with a mouse only claw grip / fingertip style, but sick jumps feel harder with keyboard + mouse. Not sure if I should work on a hybrid technique or keep practicing sick jumps with keyboard + mouse. :(
You could just use your keyboard for streaming only and your mouse for everything else...
I don't regret switching to keyboard + mouse,the only thing that is truly harder as of now is jumps. The weird thing is, I should be doing jumps just as well as I do without the keyboard by now since I made this switch quite a while ago. I'd say more than 50% of the time I've spent playing osu so far has been with a keyboard to say the least. That's what baffles me.

Is this a natural disadvantage of using the keyboard? I'd like to hear what kind of experience other players have with this. It's kind of frustrating to have practiced more with the keyboard and still do worse jumps.

EDIT: As for having a hybrid technique, there are some really crazy songs out there and I'm afraid it will mess things up in the future.

FlameseeK wrote: 3x3i1z

I don't regret switching to keyboard + mouse,the only thing that is truly harder as of now is jumps. The weird thing is, I should be doing jumps just as well as I do without the keyboard by now since I made this switch quite a while ago. I'd say more than 50% of the time I've spent playing osu so far has been with a keyboard to say the least. That's what baffles me.

Is this a natural disadvantage of using the keyboard? I'd like to hear what kind of experience other players have with this. It's kind of frustrating to have practiced more with the keyboard and still do worse jumps.

EDIT: As for having a hybrid technique, there are some really crazy songs out there and I'm afraid it will mess things up in the future.
I think the reason why you feel that it's easier to do jumps with mouse button is because of extra surface friction. Surface friction is a function of normal force applied to the surface, ie the more down force you apply to the mouse the larger the frictional force you experience. The down force resulting from your fingers pushing mouse downwards (also having a firmer mouse grip thereby applying extra down force) increases friction when you push the button and acts as a break when you approach a note.

When you switch to pure keyboard, you don't need to apply as much down force (since you don't have to push the mouse buttons anymore) and hence you've lost that extra friction as "breaks." Are you overshooting beats at the moment?

Unfortunately I'm only a low ranked 4-digit player so I can't give you any real advice on how to get better at keyboard. Maybe adapting your mouse grip is the key to getting that "break" back?

enquire wrote: 203a1k

FlameseeK wrote: 3x3i1z

I'm not sure if what I'm gonna say happens only to me, but I believe other players might experience at least similar issues. Sorry for the wall of text down below.


Basically, I started out as a mouse only . It was the most intuitive thing at that time and easier than trying to use the keyboard + mouse. Then I ran into a big problem - my mouse grip vs "moving triplets" and streams. When I played mouse only, I noticed that I "lock" my mouse movement when I click for coordination and stability - this made triplets and streams super difficult. I lose stability and my cursor ends up shaking too much if I don't lock my mouse position because I'm a claw grip/fingertip kind of player. I'm pretty sure a palm grip would "solve" this issue, but that's out of the question at this point. I wanted to know out of curiosity though - are there ANY really high level mouse only claw grip players who do streams without problems?

This is the reason I decided to switch to mouse + keyboard. Triplets are pretty easy to do now. Yeah, I got better, so even if I play without a keyboard it's not too hard anymore, but it's still a bit tricky when it's not a static triplet. Streaming is way easier too. However, I found out I have a new issue - jumps.

when I said I "lock" my mouse position when I only use my mouse? I've recently come to realize that this makes sick jumps much easier to do. It's much harder to coordinate mouse + keyboard when doing jumps, like if I miss a single note I usually lose track the pattern (and my accuracy is just worse this way too). It's like my mouse moves in a different way if I do jumps with mouse only... a better way. I love to play some insanely hard songs on slow... when playing airman it took me quite a while to get my jumps with mouse + keyboard close to the level of my jumps with mouse only. And I'd never been able to get to the first break in the big black on slow because of those sick jumps, but yesterday I noticed that I actually COULD get to that part if I used my mouse button to do the jumps. My "jumping accuracy" feels smoother this way. Is this by any means normal?

My problem is that a hybrid technique like this might make things confusing because I always need to decide how to play certain parts. I'd rather have a reliable style than having to worry about how to practice and having a less consistent technique. But I'm afraid my keyboard + mouse jumps might not be able to catch up with my mouse only jumps... I wonder if I should keep on practicing keyboard + mouse exclusively, maybe try to retrain my muscle memory for jumps in a way or something... Any thoughts or similar experiences? Any words of encouragement towards either style are appreciated.


TLDR - Moving triplets and streaming feel harder with a mouse only claw grip / fingertip style, but sick jumps feel harder with keyboard + mouse. Not sure if I should work on a hybrid technique or keep practicing sick jumps with keyboard + mouse. :(
You could just use your keyboard for streaming only and your mouse for everything else...
Tablet ?
Topic Starter
I think this thread should be stickied, we really do get a thread a day about "how can I improve at X".
remove anything that's not serious or an inside joke in it and I think it has a good chance of getting stickied
Topic Starter

kriers wrote: 726116

remove anything that's not serious or an inside joke in it and I think it has a good chance of getting stickied
I think I pretty much did.
Down to actually streaming. I like to split streams into two categories, long and fast (sexual joke goes here).
Not quite yet ;p

kriers wrote: 726116

remove anything that's not serious or an inside joke in it and I think it has a good chance of getting stickied

kriers wrote: 726116

Down to actually streaming. I like to split streams into two categories, long and fast (sexual joke goes here).
Not quite yet ;p
It is sticky




dun dun tish
So, I've been working on my accuracy for a while. Even though I go for 95% accuracy or higher, it's not easy to full combo stuff at all. My accuracy is not that high all the time, but it's kinda frustrating when I can generally get like 90/95% and not actually fc a beatmap. Sometimes I get one or two misses at the beginning and know that it will mess up my score even if I play everything else perfectly, which makes it very tempting to retry right away.

(before you ask, I'm not talking about ultra-insane beatmaps, I'm talking about hard / easier insanes song)

Do you think I should ignore these misses and keep on playing the song even if I know I won't beat my best score? Is there anything I can do to improve my ability to full combo songs with more consistency besides the obvious (duh practice)?



Example: Just got 96.86% accuracy on this beatmap http://osu-ppy-sh.cinevost.com/b/137111
The insane difficulty looks like hard to me instead. It's a relatively easy song, but I missed 3 freaking times. I think my accuracy was actually quite high for the amount of misses I got, so it feels like I need to work on something else to pull off full combos more easily.

FlameseeK wrote: 3x3i1z

Do you think I should ignore these misses and keep on playing the song even if I know I won't beat my best score?
Yep, don't force yourself to FC every song, though you can try getting as higher combo as possible, but don't retry after every miss. If you know you won't FC a song after 2-4 retries - move to the next one. 95% accuracy means a map is still slighty above your level, songs which you can with 98-99% accuracy are what you want to FC.

enik wrote: 1aa58

Yep, don't force yourself to FC every song, though you can try getting as higher combo as possible, but don't retry after every miss. If you know you won't FC a song after 2-4 retries - move to the next one. 95% accuracy means a map is still slighty above your level, songs which you can with 98-99% accuracy are what you want to FC.
Whenever a song is easy enough for me to get 98-99% in the first place, I usually go for an SS and not just a full combo. Yeah, I probably shouldn't force myself to FC everything, but still... A and S are so close, don't you think? All I need to do is not miss (easier said than done ofc).

It feels like FCs are a different skill set, closely related to accuracy, but not quite exactly the same thing.

FlameseeK wrote: 3x3i1z

It feels like FCs are a different skill set, closely related to accuracy, but not quite exactly the same thing.
FC is just about how consistent you are. If you're getting misses because of pressing keys at the wrong time - then you have to improve your rhythm/reading abilities, if you miss a note - it's obviously about your aim, if you do poor on streams - train streams. If you can't say why exactly do you miss or everything above together - then it's probably because a song is too fast for you (AR or BPM).
Accuracy itself kinda doesn't affect ability to FC at all since you still can FC with 90% acc.

FlameseeK wrote: 3x3i1z

enik wrote: 1aa58

Yep, don't force yourself to FC every song, though you can try getting as higher combo as possible, but don't retry after every miss. If you know you won't FC a song after 2-4 retries - move to the next one. 95% accuracy means a map is still slighty above your level, songs which you can with 98-99% accuracy are what you want to FC.
Whenever a song is easy enough for me to get 98-99% in the first place, I usually go for an SS and not just a full combo. Yeah, I probably shouldn't force myself to FC everything, but still... A and S are so close, don't you think? All I need to do is not miss (easier said than done ofc).

It feels like FCs are a different skill set, closely related to accuracy, but not quite exactly the same thing.
Accuracy can also have to do with the map as well. I have gotten plenty of 99%+ on OD8 songs but there are some maps that are OD6 that I struggle to get even 97% on.

FlameseeK wrote: 3x3i1z

So, I've been working on my accuracy for a while. Even though I go for 95% accuracy or higher, it's not easy to full combo stuff at all. My accuracy is not that high all the time, but it's kinda frustrating when I can generally get like 90/95% and not actually fc a beatmap. Sometimes I get one or two misses at the beginning and know that it will mess up my score even if I play everything else perfectly, which makes it very tempting to retry right away.

(before you ask, I'm not talking about ultra-insane beatmaps, I'm talking about hard / easier insanes song)

Do you think I should ignore these misses and keep on playing the song even if I know I won't beat my best score? Is there anything I can do to improve my ability to full combo songs with more consistency besides the obvious (duh practice)?



Example: Just got 96.86% accuracy on this beatmap http://osu-ppy-sh.cinevost.com/b/137111
The insane difficulty looks like hard to me instead. It's a relatively easy song, but I missed 3 freaking times. I think my accuracy was actually quite high for the amount of misses I got, so it feels like I need to work on something else to pull off full combos more easily.
I know how you feel exactly because I play normal/hard maps often too. It is almost too tempting to SS them all, but what I experienced is that it drains away my stamina while retrying the same song over and over and that affects my performance on other songs later.

What I do now is that I set a "quota" for FC everyday (eg need to turn 2 A/B maps into S per day), and a cap on how many times I'm allowed to retry a song (eg 5 retries for <20s, then 2 retries after that). I will sort the songs by Rank and play through them relaxed, till I find one that's "totally FC-able but messed up due to stupid mistakes." Then it's time to slap your face, focus and try to "fufill the quota."

Others may laugh when they read this but that's just how I play :oops:
she_old

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sticky pls

kriers wrote: 726116

Since I really wanted to play like the best keyboard players, I decided I'd do whatever it takes to get there eventually. To my surprise, I was forced down to 120, one hundred and twenty bpm if I was going to maintain an accurate stream using keyboard. I had just finished mad machine at 90% the other day and now I realized the only way to hit a perfect stream was going that low ._. 10 months later and I'm slowly gaining stamina, completing long 180 bpm streams and gradually increasing my maximum bpm while maintaining perfect accuracy of course. Good thing I can play mouse only or I'd never bother ever.

tl;dr: spam =/= real streaming ability :(
I just made a 115 bpm beatmap with anything but streams consisting of stacked hitcircles. As you suggested in another thread, I choose OD 8. Damn, I was hoping getting 95% wasn't going to be too hard, but I can only get about 80%. If I disregard 50's and misses, 1 hitcircle out of every 4 is a 100 when I'm doing well, otherwise it's 1 out of 3. When I try another song I made with streams, same OD but 140 bpm, it's much easier (though I still get 100's, but definitely less than in the other beatmap).

I guess it's supposed to be harder because it requires much more solid technique to follow the rhythm properly.
I have problem with single tapping even short streams. I am missing in the end of the stream because my finger is somehow blocking and cant move anymore, lol. Have you got any tips for me?
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Bieras wrote: 3tv6q

I have problem with single tapping even short streams. I am missing in the end of the stream because my finger is somehow blocking and cant move anymore, lol. Have you got any tips for me?
To be fair you should probably be alternating if you're doing streams. It's better to learn to stream slowly too than singletap slower streams, that way you learn rhythm and can start singletapping the streams when you get that part down.
I've recently bought a Wacom Connect to see how tablets work. I thought it was going to be a little more intuitive though.

If you play with a mouse, claw grip or fingertip work with mid and high sens, whereas palm grip is advised for low sens. Pretty straightforward. If you play with a tablet, the way you hold your pen and position your hand is still too... vague.

I've noticed most top players use full area + windowed. I really like full screen, so I decided to reduce my tablet area instead. It's not much different from my mouse dpi - just enough to control it without having to move my arm. Maximum precision without arm movement.

Now, I've noticed some players talking about hovering vs dragging. A lot of people say hovering is better. For real? It feels like I don't have enough to have steady cursor control when I hover. I even try to touch my tablet with my middle finger while hovering, but it's like I'm trying to compensate for a problem I shouldn't have because dragging is still steadier. But dragging, just like writing, is going wear the tip of my pen... sure, I have 3 other "tips" (w/e its called) left, but I'm still not sure dragging is the best way to go. And I'm not sure if it would damage the surface of my tablet either (that is, affect its functionality).
it just takes practice and getting used to
These all sound like interesting advice for someone like myself, since I'm just barely getting started. I think I will continue to practice when I have time and just enjoy the game.

buny wrote: 22l5t

it just takes practice and getting used to
I don't know which is the better technique in the long run. Right now, I see no reason to hover besides durability and I'm not sure that's enough to make it worth it.
took me a while to go from dragging -> hovering but it was worth it
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FlameseeK wrote: 3x3i1z

buny wrote: 22l5t

it just takes practice and getting used to
I don't know which is the better technique in the long run. Right now, I see no reason to hover besides durability and I'm not sure that's enough to make it worth it.
You have less limitations to your movement, every bit of friction caused from touching the pen to the tablet is going to make your movement slower, harder and it will get your hand into weird angles you don't want it to be in.

But either works fine really. Can't think of a "pro" player who touches the tablet though.
it makes snapping incredibly easy
does pen grip matter?
i'd say pen grip would only matter but only in of area size

because tighter grip = more control but slower but loose = more speed less control
No, loose more control.

jesus1412 wrote: 4s456t

You have less limitations to your movement, every bit of friction caused from touching the pen to the tablet is going to make your movement slower, harder and it will get your hand into weird angles you don't want it to be in.

But either works fine really. Can't think of a "pro" player who touches the tablet though.
http://osu-ppy-sh.cinevost.com/u/remilia-scarlet
http://osu-ppy-sh.cinevost.com/u/yodasnipe

Both touch.

JAKACHAN wrote: 701g2l

jesus1412 wrote: 4s456t

You have less limitations to your movement, every bit of friction caused from touching the pen to the tablet is going to make your movement slower, harder and it will get your hand into weird angles you don't want it to be in.

But either works fine really. Can't think of a "pro" player who touches the tablet though.
http://osu-ppy-sh.cinevost.com/u/remilia-scarlet
http://osu-ppy-sh.cinevost.com/u/yodasnipe

Both touch.
GensokyoAkuma FC'd BD's Mittens and a bunch of other crazy shit with touch style. His aim capability is one of the best in Europe.
Good to know I'm not the only one who thinks touch is good. I'm not sure if it's even possible to hover at the same place without involuntarily moving the pen. Right now, it feels harder to follow sliders with as much perfection as I do when I touch or play with a mouse. Spinners become much trickier too. I aim for the center of the notes, but when I hover my pinpoint accuracy seems less less precise.

I know things become much easier with practice, but I wonder how much of this is possible to overcome. Some of these things might be an inherent disadvantage of hovering, even if they're not much of a problem once you get really good. I guess I'll have to keep on trying both styles for the time being and see how they feel.

FlameseeK wrote: 3x3i1z

Good to know I'm not the only one who thinks touch is good. I'm not sure if it's even possible to hover at the same place without involuntarily moving the pen.
Studies have shown that Cookiezi's hover precision rivals most low end computers

-Soba- wrote: 7314j

Studies have shown that Cookiezi's hover precision rivals most low end computers
The scary part is I could believe this.
You can not decrease area size, if you are using a mouse. . . (Jump) It just takes practice no other way around it. 8-)
sensitivity is virtually the same...
GensokyoAkuma also has the weirdest grip ever
Oh great improvement thread

Do you have any tips on 280+ BPM fast singles? They're pretty overwhelming

Brian OA wrote: 4d1w4h

Oh great improvement thread

Do you have any tips on 280+ BPM fast singles? They're pretty overwhelming
Practice
When I began, someone told me James Training......
Seriously, can we have a rule that bans/deletes posts like "play more" or "practise" in a "How to improve" thread?

People ask for genuine help in a "How to improve" thread and a short, generic answer like "play more" just doesn't help. If you genuinely have something to contribute, you should give more specific advice such as:
  1. Practise *** maps and work your way up
  2. *** and *** may be good for improving ***
  3. Do *** instead of ***
  4. *** may be too hard to jump in straight away, try *** first
I'll just make it clear that I have no grudge against those who posted short generic answer like "play more." It's just I'm sick and tired of seeing them since they bump a thread without offering much real help to the topic.
Singletapping was explained in the OP tho. There is nothing else to say. He should get some >280 BPM maps and play them singletapping. The more he plays, the faster he will improve. Asking how to improve in a thread which explains how to improve is kinda... contradictory.
Have you got any maps to practice triples and streams? I really suck at it. :(
Wow, im new to osu and was seaching for that type of topic, thanks guys ^^ thats a nice community here!
Congratz on sticky! This will be really helpful for new players in the future. :)
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Wishy wrote: 1he60

He doesn't even play standard, jesus.

This is what I hate of this kind of threads, you always get lots of people who can't even play Insanes (or barely) comment and pretty much confuse people.
It says right there on my profile that I play Standard the most. I just have slightly more pp in Taiko.

Why do people always assume I don't play standard? Can't I play Taiko, CtB and o!m a few times without people assuming I don't play Standard? :?
That topic was locked because the topic itself can be found here. Don't go off topic here if possible though.
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