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Omfg now that I think of it it could be my problem.I I always used to play DT on maps I couldn't , and now whatever the BPM is all I do is smashing keys without following the BPM or rhythm of the song and that's why I'm really bad at stream accuracy... I guess I should try playing low BPM stream maps until I have good accudarkmiz wrote: 4q1v70
Second, practice slow streams. Playing too much fast streams will get you bad habits (like mashing through slider-streams or fast parts you can't read) which is bad for accuracy.
not just a bit, terribly much.winber1 wrote: z3x6i
Taking breaks from osu! kinda aids in this process a bit.
that it's a rhythm game, keep rhythm to play rhythm games properly. It's not always easy though.Jordan wrote: 3d2y23
I I always used to play DT on maps I couldn't , and now whatever the BPM is all I do is smashing keys without following the BPM or rhythm of the song and that's why I'm really bad at stream accuracy... I guess I should try playing low BPM stream maps until I have good accu
My main problem of all time tbh. I'm suffering from this problem a lot while trying to clear the square patterns on Masterpiece, however AR8 keeps me away from not reading them as a pattern while AR10 make it like a walk in the park.Tom69 wrote: 5u5i1m
There are several methods that helped me succeed certain square patterns. The most important thing that all of those methods have in common is:
Don't look at the pattern as a whole. Ever.
nodarkmiz wrote: 4q1v70
Play this map 100 times and you'll be master of squares.
No, that one is just easy compared to Atama no Taisou [Nogard]. :lwinber1 wrote: z3x6i
nodarkmiz wrote: 4q1v70
Play this map 100 times and you'll be master of squares.
Best method out there.Macacito wrote: 2p3p3a
you forgot this
How to improve at osu: having fun
Might have to agree here... I took a break from osu! for a few days (got a new GPU, had to go stress it out with other games), and I came back to osu! today and ed this beatmap first try... http://osu-ppy-sh.cinevost.com/b/120695 (0108) (was never able to this beatmap in the past).xann wrote: k6157
not just a bit, terribly much.winber1 wrote: z3x6i
Taking breaks from osu! kinda aids in this process a bit.
/fixeddarkmiz wrote: 4q1v70
Play this map 1000 times with DoubleTime and you'll be master of squares.
Yo.Macacito wrote: 2p3p3a
where's ijah?
I find this too, after intense streaming sessions my fingers will never hurt, usually all around my shoulder however there's massive pain.Ijah wrote: 476529
Yo.Macacito wrote: 2p3p3a
where's ijah?
Contributing to thread: Streaming isn't so much in the fingers as it is in the tricep (the muscle that drives the tendons), training that muscle in the usual ways helps you get faster and (kind of) helps stamina a little.
I tend to just tense up my arm and get those two fingers to 'shake' somewhat.
a tl;dr for three lines?Kanye West wrote: 442r17
Actually the triceps have nothing to do with streaming speed. That would be the intrinsic lumbricals and the extensor digitorum. Streaming involves rapid extension and flexion of the metacarpophalangeal ts of your index and middle finger as well as some pronation/supination of the forearm. The triceps actually extend the entire forearm and don't really contribute.
tl;dr wrong muscle
I wished I was as intelligent as you areKanye West wrote: 442r17
Actually the triceps have nothing to do with streaming speed. That would be the intrinsic lumbricals and the extensor digitorum. Streaming involves rapid extension and flexion of the metacarpophalangeal ts of your index and middle finger as well as some pronation/supination of the forearm. The triceps actually extend the entire forearm and don't really contribute.
tl;dr wrong muscle
No you don't, I'm retarded. I just know big wordsPurlpo wrote: 5o1ei
I wished I was as intelligent as you areKanye West wrote: 442r17
Actually the triceps have nothing to do with streaming speed. That would be the intrinsic lumbricals and the extensor digitorum. Streaming involves rapid extension and flexion of the metacarpophalangeal ts of your index and middle finger as well as some pronation/supination of the forearm. The triceps actually extend the entire forearm and don't really contribute.
tl;dr wrong muscle
Once u get used to it, u will spin faster with smaller circles. Also, u have more control over ur mouse. With big circles the chance of missing a hitcircle right after the spinner is much higher because u have to find the cursor first..Elit3noob wrote: 6n3q6x
you guys sure about spinning with smaller circles? I tried it ages ago but I seem to spin much slower when I do small circles
But Rucker's spinning was random spamming motion.winber1 wrote: z3x6i
doesn't really matter where you spin in relation to the center as long as it is not random spamming motion. It just has to be decently close and accurate. most noobs just panic throw their cursor everywhere .
That's basically what I do toothelewa wrote: 4e2o3k
But Rucker's spinning was random spamming motion.winber1 wrote: z3x6i
doesn't really matter where you spin in relation to the center as long as it is not random spamming motion. It just has to be decently close and accurate. most noobs just panic throw their cursor everywhere .
I mean he just tensed his hand until it started shaking and then he tried to spin at the same time.
He played with a super small area too so yeah.thelewa wrote: 4e2o3k
But Rucker's spinning was random spamming motion.winber1 wrote: z3x6i
doesn't really matter where you spin in relation to the center as long as it is not random spamming motion. It just has to be decently close and accurate. most noobs just panic throw their cursor everywhere .
I mean he just tensed his hand until it started shaking and then he tried to spin at the same time.
I improved really a lot, raised my accuracy, aiming and streaming skillz. All thanks to this advice:buny wrote: 22l5t
Has anybody actually improved from this?
jesus1412 wrote: 4s456t
Basically, practice.
You could just use your keyboard for streaming only and your mouse for everything else...FlameseeK wrote: 3x3i1z
I'm not sure if what I'm gonna say happens only to me, but I believe other players might experience at least similar issues. Sorry for the wall of text down below.
Basically, I started out as a mouse only . It was the most intuitive thing at that time and easier than trying to use the keyboard + mouse. Then I ran into a big problem - my mouse grip vs "moving triplets" and streams. When I played mouse only, I noticed that I "lock" my mouse movement when I click for coordination and stability - this made triplets and streams super difficult. I lose stability and my cursor ends up shaking too much if I don't lock my mouse position because I'm a claw grip/fingertip kind of player. I'm pretty sure a palm grip would "solve" this issue, but that's out of the question at this point. I wanted to know out of curiosity though - are there ANY really high level mouse only claw grip players who do streams without problems?
This is the reason I decided to switch to mouse + keyboard. Triplets are pretty easy to do now. Yeah, I got better, so even if I play without a keyboard it's not too hard anymore, but it's still a bit tricky when it's not a static triplet. Streaming is way easier too. However, I found out I have a new issue - jumps.
when I said I "lock" my mouse position when I only use my mouse? I've recently come to realize that this makes sick jumps much easier to do. It's much harder to coordinate mouse + keyboard when doing jumps, like if I miss a single note I usually lose track the pattern (and my accuracy is just worse this way too). It's like my mouse moves in a different way if I do jumps with mouse only... a better way. I love to play some insanely hard songs on slow... when playing airman it took me quite a while to get my jumps with mouse + keyboard close to the level of my jumps with mouse only. And I'd never been able to get to the first break in the big black on slow because of those sick jumps, but yesterday I noticed that I actually COULD get to that part if I used my mouse button to do the jumps. My "jumping accuracy" feels smoother this way. Is this by any means normal?
My problem is that a hybrid technique like this might make things confusing because I always need to decide how to play certain parts. I'd rather have a reliable style than having to worry about how to practice and having a less consistent technique. But I'm afraid my keyboard + mouse jumps might not be able to catch up with my mouse only jumps... I wonder if I should keep on practicing keyboard + mouse exclusively, maybe try to retrain my muscle memory for jumps in a way or something... Any thoughts or similar experiences? Any words of encouragement towards either style are appreciated.
TLDR - Moving triplets and streaming feel harder with a mouse only claw grip / fingertip style, but sick jumps feel harder with keyboard + mouse. Not sure if I should work on a hybrid technique or keep practicing sick jumps with keyboard + mouse.![]()
I think the reason why you feel that it's easier to do jumps with mouse button is because of extra surface friction. Surface friction is a function of normal force applied to the surface, ie the more down force you apply to the mouse the larger the frictional force you experience. The down force resulting from your fingers pushing mouse downwards (also having a firmer mouse grip thereby applying extra down force) increases friction when you push the button and acts as a break when you approach a note.FlameseeK wrote: 3x3i1z
I don't regret switching to keyboard + mouse,the only thing that is truly harder as of now is jumps. The weird thing is, I should be doing jumps just as well as I do without the keyboard by now since I made this switch quite a while ago. I'd say more than 50% of the time I've spent playing osu so far has been with a keyboard to say the least. That's what baffles me.
Is this a natural disadvantage of using the keyboard? I'd like to hear what kind of experience other players have with this. It's kind of frustrating to have practiced more with the keyboard and still do worse jumps.
EDIT: As for having a hybrid technique, there are some really crazy songs out there and I'm afraid it will mess things up in the future.
Tablet ?enquire wrote: 203a1k
You could just use your keyboard for streaming only and your mouse for everything else...FlameseeK wrote: 3x3i1z
I'm not sure if what I'm gonna say happens only to me, but I believe other players might experience at least similar issues. Sorry for the wall of text down below.
Basically, I started out as a mouse only . It was the most intuitive thing at that time and easier than trying to use the keyboard + mouse. Then I ran into a big problem - my mouse grip vs "moving triplets" and streams. When I played mouse only, I noticed that I "lock" my mouse movement when I click for coordination and stability - this made triplets and streams super difficult. I lose stability and my cursor ends up shaking too much if I don't lock my mouse position because I'm a claw grip/fingertip kind of player. I'm pretty sure a palm grip would "solve" this issue, but that's out of the question at this point. I wanted to know out of curiosity though - are there ANY really high level mouse only claw grip players who do streams without problems?
This is the reason I decided to switch to mouse + keyboard. Triplets are pretty easy to do now. Yeah, I got better, so even if I play without a keyboard it's not too hard anymore, but it's still a bit tricky when it's not a static triplet. Streaming is way easier too. However, I found out I have a new issue - jumps.
when I said I "lock" my mouse position when I only use my mouse? I've recently come to realize that this makes sick jumps much easier to do. It's much harder to coordinate mouse + keyboard when doing jumps, like if I miss a single note I usually lose track the pattern (and my accuracy is just worse this way too). It's like my mouse moves in a different way if I do jumps with mouse only... a better way. I love to play some insanely hard songs on slow... when playing airman it took me quite a while to get my jumps with mouse + keyboard close to the level of my jumps with mouse only. And I'd never been able to get to the first break in the big black on slow because of those sick jumps, but yesterday I noticed that I actually COULD get to that part if I used my mouse button to do the jumps. My "jumping accuracy" feels smoother this way. Is this by any means normal?
My problem is that a hybrid technique like this might make things confusing because I always need to decide how to play certain parts. I'd rather have a reliable style than having to worry about how to practice and having a less consistent technique. But I'm afraid my keyboard + mouse jumps might not be able to catch up with my mouse only jumps... I wonder if I should keep on practicing keyboard + mouse exclusively, maybe try to retrain my muscle memory for jumps in a way or something... Any thoughts or similar experiences? Any words of encouragement towards either style are appreciated.
TLDR - Moving triplets and streaming feel harder with a mouse only claw grip / fingertip style, but sick jumps feel harder with keyboard + mouse. Not sure if I should work on a hybrid technique or keep practicing sick jumps with keyboard + mouse.![]()
kriers wrote: 726116
remove anything that's not serious or an inside joke in it and I think it has a good chance of getting stickied
It is stickykriers wrote: 726116
Down to actually streaming. I like to split streams into two categories, long and fast (sexual joke goes here).Not quite yet ;p
Yep, don't force yourself to FC every song, though you can try getting as higher combo as possible, but don't retry after every miss. If you know you won't FC a song after 2-4 retries - move to the next one. 95% accuracy means a map is still slighty above your level, songs which you can with 98-99% accuracy are what you want to FC.FlameseeK wrote: 3x3i1z
Do you think I should ignore these misses and keep on playing the song even if I know I won't beat my best score?
Whenever a song is easy enough for me to get 98-99% in the first place, I usually go for an SS and not just a full combo. Yeah, I probably shouldn't force myself to FC everything, but still... A and S are so close, don't you think? All I need to do is not miss (easier said than done ofc).enik wrote: 1aa58
Yep, don't force yourself to FC every song, though you can try getting as higher combo as possible, but don't retry after every miss. If you know you won't FC a song after 2-4 retries - move to the next one. 95% accuracy means a map is still slighty above your level, songs which you can with 98-99% accuracy are what you want to FC.
FC is just about how consistent you are. If you're getting misses because of pressing keys at the wrong time - then you have to improve your rhythm/reading abilities, if you miss a note - it's obviously about your aim, if you do poor on streams - train streams. If you can't say why exactly do you miss or everything above together - then it's probably because a song is too fast for you (AR or BPM).FlameseeK wrote: 3x3i1z
It feels like FCs are a different skill set, closely related to accuracy, but not quite exactly the same thing.