Oh boyy

You should allow for vote changes if furthering campaigning in this thread changes the mind of people.

I don’t like how we’re able to see the current amount of votes each candidate has. It’s very prone to influencing people’s vote, which is unfair. Also, I don’t think the runner up should be Vice President. That’s a very odd practice to have.

Penguin wrote: 2l1d1p

I don’t like how we’re able to see the current amount of votes each candidate has. It’s very prone to influencing people’s vote, which is unfair. Also, I don’t think the runner up should be Vice President. That’s a very odd practice to have.

I agree with this



Also, I think if denziens want to change their vote they should have to submit a request to tad so they aren’t Justin changing without reason

Maybe you guys are right. Maybe I should use like a Google docs form instead?
If so then I'll have to reset the whole voting phase.

tad01123 wrote: 3e576u

Maybe you guys are right. Maybe I should use like a Google docs form instead?
If so then I'll have to reset the whole voting phase.

Ultimately it’ll be fine so u don’t need to

yea vote for me ill be a good leader prez

Ill even make a post under my own post to show y'all how cool I am

tad01123 wrote: 3e576u

Maybe you guys are right. Maybe I should use like a Google docs form instead?
If so then I'll have to reset the whole voting phase.

There’s no point in doing that now, it’s too far gone. Plus, google docs is a lot more vulnerable to vote manipulation.

We should definitely address the Vice President issue tho

I'm unsure about the use of a vice president as well.

I don't necessarily mind the idea but I'm not sure how having a VP would work.

I guess I'll remove the VP role for the runner up then. If needed then we can have a separate election for that as well.

We probably don't even need a VP.

johnmedina999 wrote: 3e5q1e

We probably don't even need a VP.

Agreed.

just skip the voting and crown me the king already

I'm calling out OT Crook Ashton for vote manupilation

yea ashton stole 5 votes from me i saw it happen

I'd like to say that Fizzn (KatouMegumi) manupilated votes on OT Executions, and this crook is now doing the same here.

Candidate ASH - *sips tea*

Candidate ZN - "cheater!"

Candidate ACH - "hmm'st."

Candidate ABR - *shrugs*



How's that for a summary? -w-

I'm shrugging?

Dunno. Feel free to correct me if otherwise!

This is a fair vote. You can't steal, and you can't double vote unless you have two s, but then you'd be banned. Y'all are just salty.

Ashton is getting his cronies to vote for him from some discord server

obviously you wouldn't know how to steal votes john

I have not bribed anyone to vote for me, meaning all votes are fair. Please refrain from mudslinging or accusations.

Is he? Evidence would be good if that's true.

I'd like to see if there's reason for speculation, not just rumors.

I doubt the accusation.

*cold skeleton stare*

abraker wrote: 6w3t1z

Ashton is getting his cronies to vote for him from some discord server

Baseless accusations isn’t going paint a good picture for yourself. Make you seem like a sore loser. Maybe that’s why you’re down on votes.

Achromalia wrote: 1ts28

Candidate ASH - *sips tea*

Candidate ZN - "cheater!"

Candidate ACH - "hmm'st."

Candidate ABR - *shrugs*



How's that for a summary? -w-

ABR is yelling “cheater!”

ZN is basking in confidence.

I know it's possible because I have evidence that Fizzn had his cronies vote for people in OT Executions. I know how the shit works.

abraker wrote: 6w3t1z

I know it's possible because I have evidence that Fizzn had his cronies vote for people in OT Executions. I know how the shit works.

Just because it’s possible doesn’t give you a foundation for these allegations. It’s also possible that you’re a cold blooded murderer who feasts on your victims flesh, yet it makes no sense to start calling you a cannibalistic murderer if people start disappearing.

Penguin wrote: 2l1d1p

abraker wrote: 6w3t1z

I know it's possible because I have evidence that Fizzn had his cronies vote for people in OT Executions. I know how the shit works.

Just because it’s possible doesn’t give you a foundation for these allegations. It’s also possible that you’re a cold blooded murderer who feasts on your victims flesh, yet it makes no sense to start calling you a cannibalistic murderer if people start disappearing.

This. That's why I don't get your reasoning. You see a singular instance of wrongdoing, and attribute that to any similar case. I prefer to have direct evidence before an accusation. It's good to speculate when you have reasonable belief that's directly relevant, not based on a possibility.

Anyone who doesn't vote for Zain will get their dicks cut by the tooth fairy

Meah wrote: 372j3t

Anyone who doesn't vote for Zain will get their dicks cut by the tooth fairy

Jokes on you, I already lost all my baby teeth!

Meah wrote: 372j3t

Anyone who doesn't vote for Zain will get their dicks cut by the tooth fairy

Jokes on you i already sacrifes my dicks to satan...

I guess I’ll make the first speech here.


As the leader of the tea party, I will make sure every citizen of OT is satisfied with my position as president. Even if I will make many of the final decisions, every single person, even people who may have lost against me, will have a say in what happens.


My first act of presidency will be the reformation act. This act will punish any denizen guilty of spreading hate because of the past on one another. This act will ensure everybody gets a second chance at proving their worth as if I becoming president, I will work on taking us to a better future and leaving all of the drama and madness behind us.

There should be a requirement at the end that requires denizens to confirm that they voted. At the very least, we need to confirm that the elections are not getting more votes than there are denizens here.

Perhaps a thread survey wasn't the best idea.

abraker wrote: 6w3t1z

There should be a requirement at the end that requires denizens to confirm that they voted. At the very least, we need to confirm that the elections are not getting more votes than there are denizens here.

Everyone and anyone should be allowed to vote here. They could be future denziens and as such, we need to make sure everyone feels included. Adding a rule that restricts too many people is hurtful to this society and will only isolate us further from the overall community.

I don't think it's a good idea to let anyone vote, especially if they don't know what this is and the culture behind OT. Otherwise, what was even the point of the debates?

abraker wrote: 6w3t1z

I don't think it's a good idea to let anyone vote, especially if they don't know what this is and the culture behind OT. Otherwise, what was even the point of the debates?

Here at the tea party we allow everyone, and exclude no one. That is one of our values; inclusivity.


Another better alternative is to simply ask people who voted to message one reason as to why they voted, however, unless you can prove how I’ve been rigging the votes there should really be no need for that.

I'm not saying you are rigging any the votes anymore. I am saying I want confirmation the votes can be trusted in general.

The point of the debates is to address DENIZEN concerns. Those who are not denizens of OT know little of what issues the candidates are aiming to solve, much less be affected by them. If they want to be part of OT, great! They can certainly vote in the next elections after they become part of OT.

abraker wrote: 6w3t1z

I'm not saying you are rigging any the votes anymore. I am saying I want confirmation the votes can be trusted in general.

The point of the debates is to address DENIZEN concerns. Those who are not denizens of OT know little of what issues the candidates are aiming to solve, much less be affected by them. If they want to be part of OT, great! They can certainly vote in the next elections after they become part of OT.

People who vote do not need an extensive history lesson or even much experience in ot to know who they would like to vote for.

They want to a community, and they want a good leader. Even if I lose, I still believe heavily in allowing new s to vote. Otherwise, they feel left out and neglected.

Letting external entities choose a leader for a community they are not part of is sabotaging the community for those who are part of it.

I call forth every denizen of OT, are you ok with this?

As a denziens of Ot, yes, I am okay with this. The current community is already so... preserved it’s always nice to be liberated by others ing.

Even if they do , it won’t change the culture of OT.

Them ing may not change the culture of OT, but them voting before ing will certainly influence the votes in a negative way because there is NO guarantee they WILL OT after voting.

I think trying to control who is part of the OT community and who is not is harmful to it as a whole. The only reason that the OT community is as crazy and active as it is now is because people are free to do (nearly) anything they pleased, and that includes ing and leaving on a whim. Restricting that would ruin this freedom, and therefore the craziness that makes OT fun.

I agree that a forum vote was probably not the best idea, but I wouldn't make everyone validate their vote. Perhaps a strawpoll would suffice.

This time, I'm a bit perplexed.

I'll try my hand at some arguments.

johnmedina999 wrote: 3e5q1e

I think trying to control who is part of the OT community and who is not is harmful to it as a whole. The only reason that the OT community is as crazy and active as it is now is because people are free to do (nearly) anything they pleased, and that includes ing and leaving on a whim. Restricting that would ruin this freedom, and therefore the craziness that makes OT fun.

The difference is, we're primarily speaking of the candidate campaign. Not OT as a whole. Though being inclusive is pretty often a beneficial thing, I believe Abraker is talking specifically about this election. Lets try not to get these switched up, please.

It's fairly unlikely a whole crowd of new people show up, and it's just as unlikely that a more controlled method of voting will truly influence their decision in sticking around in OT.

OT as a whole, in my eyes, ideally should be open.

The OT elections, however, are at a strange point here. The legitimacy of votes won't really be clear unless we figure out a proper way to vote.

I'm not certain on what my position is with abraker's thoughts. But I have this to say, at least.

Even then, there's some familiar things in this sort of situation.

...maybe...

Well, it'll take some debating, I suppose.

abraker wrote: 6w3t1z

Letting external entities choose a leader for a community they are not part of is sabotaging the community for those who are part of it.

I call forth every denizen of OT, are you ok with this?

I'm wary of that decision. It's somewhat akin to letting people outside of your country and citizenship to vote for your next president. It's very difficult to trust.

With that, I guess I'll have to say I'm just not okay with it.

That isn't to say I'd be sure of that happening right now. I frankly have no idea if this sort of thing is what's happening, and though it's something I'm doubtful of, it's always possible. But if that's all we've got, I can't just accuse someone out of that possibility.

can't believe this is a thing lmao..

i'm not gonna vote, but i'll be watching..

Whoa, I just woke up to 3 forum pages.

About the legitimacy of the votes, I agree that it's pretty hard to make sure that everything is legitimate.
So I'm willing to reset this phase and use another better voting method if you guys want.
If most of the candidates and denizens would agree, I'll reset the whole phase.

Hmm.

I wonder if we should debate on what voting method we should use before we do anything.

But I'd still somewhat consider the possibility of just continuing this phase instead, it kinda depends.

I think we need a way to identify who has voted. I'm assuming we're still doing an anonymous vote, but would it be possible to just state we've voted for Candidate A, B, C, or D? How would that play out, and for what reasons would any method be any better?

What does everyone think?

I'm thinking if we'd reset this phase, this time we'll use a 3rd party site to manage the voting. I am thinking of using a Google docs form where voters have to leave their name and their vote in it. That would make identifying voters much easier, making double checking for legitimacy easier and keep the voting numbers confidential until the end of the election where I'll announce the statistics.

ashton's a fucking libtard

Or, you could just use the private messaging system instead of using a third party site in which you have no way of ing that people are who they say they are except for asking them on the native site.

Okay but why do we even do this without an OT Constitution though? The OT bazaar and Cider s whomever s them btw

you need the first president to sign the constitution obviously

But there isn't even anything to sign yet, where is the pen to sign it? Where are the worker's unions? (except the union of drinks)
This is chaos
I vote to postpone the election until we have a functional baseline to base OT on

Elections first, rules later.

Rules on how to run elections?

Preposterous! We are off to a great start!

So should I restart phase 3?
I mean, I doubt anyone actually cheated in the election but just to be sure, I can always reset this phase and use a better method of voting.

yes