{"content":"\n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Bobbias<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 1,447 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed March 2011<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Bobbias<\/a>\n\n \n 2013-08-02T18:59:13+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Drace wrote:<\/h4>And about pattern reading\/pattern playing. I tend to consider pattern \"known\" or \"recognized\" only when I can play it properly. But you pointing that out shows that different interpretations could lead to certain misunderstandings. I'll make sure to clarify this point.<\/blockquote>Ahh, that makes sense. When I look at patterns, the degree that I actually recognize it can be kinda determined by how many \"sub-patterns\" I can recognize and how automatic my respone to them is. What I mean by that is that on harder stuff with layered patterns, especially layered hold patterns, you can often be at a point where you more or less recognize what you have to play, but can't really figure out what the individual components that make up what you're seeing actually are. This also seems to be in line with the research I've done. It's effectively a process of \"chunking\". We've heard the whole \"your brain can only handle 7 things at once\" line, but it's actually true. The way we get around that is by \"chunking\" patterns into a \"heirarchy\" (each pattern can contain other smaller patterns, but can also be thought of as a whole object by itself). Just like we know that a car is made up of wheels, an engine, etc. and we know that wheels are round, and engines are made of metal, etc. you can consider the entire collection of notes visible on the screen as a singe pattern made up of various \"sub-patterns\", which are then made up of notes (or even other sub-patterns!). Often times I can read the individual notes, but not be able to really break something into \"sub-patterns\". When that happens I can still play it, but it takes more mental effort to read, which increases the chances of missing notes or playing poorly.My understanding is that this process is naturally how we learn to be able to read these patterns, whether we're conscious of the process or not. The better you get at breaking what you see into patterns made up of \"sub-patterns\", as opposed to having to pay attention to each individual note one at a time, the less mental effort it takes to recognize the proper response.Just to clarify, when I say \"sub-pattern\" I just mean shorter smaller patterns.Here's a color coded image showing the 3 main \"sub-patterns\" I would identify in the pattern shown:This is how I would actually think about that pattern when I play it.You'll notice, however, that the right side is almost all red. That's because that section gets further broken down into separate nested \"sub-patterns\", which I learned to identify and play much earlier on, and are now have an entirely automatic response:(The site I used to create these is in this thread<\/a>, I just colorized them in paint.net)<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Looking for mods for my mania map Minori Chihara - Kyoukai no Kanata (TV Size)<\/a>.<\/span>Need some tips on how to improve in osu!mania? Try reading our guide<\/a> and map suggestions<\/a>!Need some tips on how to map in osu!mania better? Try reading this guide<\/a>!Looking for the o2jam skin I use? This folder<\/a> has it and a few other o!m skins!<\/strong>Message me if this link doesn't work, and I will update it.<\/span><\/center><\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Drace<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 314 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed April 2011<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Topic Starter\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Drace<\/a>\n\n \n 2013-08-02T19:16:28+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n That's some great stuff right there, there so much to be said about the technicalities behind how we learn, read and interpret patterns. Better understanding of the fundamentals behind this could very well help people improve. Give people an idea on what to focus on when there's patterns they're trying to learn. I might include something like this in the guide if I figure out how to implement it without making look like too hefty of read. Don't want to scare away the people this thread was intended to hahaThat's why we hide stuff in boxes... it's a trap <\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Need some tips on how to improve in osu!mania? Try reading our guide<\/u><\/a> and map suggestions<\/u><\/a>!<\/strong>Follow me on Twitch<\/u><\/a>!<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/span>yo<\/a>http:\/\/vsrg.club\/<\/strong><\/center><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Bobbias<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 1,447 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed March 2011<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Bobbias<\/a>\n\n \n 2013-08-02T19:42:51+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Haha yeah. I've wanted to put together a \"The learning process, and how it applies to learning music games like osu!mania\" type document for a while actually. Making it look less intimidating is definitely something we need to keep in mind.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Looking for mods for my mania map Minori Chihara - Kyoukai no Kanata (TV Size)<\/a>.<\/span>Need some tips on how to improve in osu!mania? Try reading our guide<\/a> and map suggestions<\/a>!Need some tips on how to map in osu!mania better? Try reading this guide<\/a>!Looking for the o2jam skin I use? This folder<\/a> has it and a few other o!m skins!<\/strong>Message me if this link doesn't work, and I will update it.<\/span><\/center><\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n lolpoi_old<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 10 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed May 2013<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n lolpoi_old<\/a>\n\n \n 2013-08-04T06:47:25+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n quick questionIs it normal to go from not getting 10 seconds into a song to getting a b ten minutes later?This happened a few days ago and after i finished i was like holy cow i actually beat that map<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Bobbias<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 1,447 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed March 2011<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Bobbias<\/a>\n\n \n 2013-08-04T18:02:28+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n At lower skill levels that sort of improvement can be pretty common. The amount of time and effort it takes to improve increases as you get better, so until you get fairly good at something, there's a good chance you might hit a point where you improve like that. Sometimes all it takes is one little thing to improve for you to go from failing something immediately to ing it.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Looking for mods for my mania map Minori Chihara - Kyoukai no Kanata (TV Size)<\/a>.<\/span>Need some tips on how to improve in osu!mania? Try reading our guide<\/a> and map suggestions<\/a>!Need some tips on how to map in osu!mania better? Try reading this guide<\/a>!Looking for the o2jam skin I use? This folder<\/a> has it and a few other o!m skins!<\/strong>Message me if this link doesn't work, and I will update it.<\/span><\/center><\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Drace<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 314 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed April 2011<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Topic Starter\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Drace<\/a>\n\n \n 2013-08-04T19:23:55+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n lolpoi wrote:<\/h4>quick questionIs it normal to go from not getting 10 seconds into a song to getting a b ten minutes later?This happened a few days ago and after i finished i was like holy cow i actually beat that map<\/blockquote>I like to refer to such situations to a \"click\". It's more common in the early stages since you haven't yet explored many patterns. Although it may not seem like it, you are sometimes closer than you think to be able to read a certain pattern. It just takes that missing something, then \"click\" the pattern makes sense. It's not at all uncommon, I can think of a couple patterns in which I myself learned this way.And also, sometimes songs have a high enough drain speed to make you fail with a B or even an A grade accuracy. So it's possible you were just playing a song with a high drain speed.Either way, both are completely normal ^^<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Need some tips on how to improve in osu!mania? Try reading our guide<\/u><\/a> and map suggestions<\/u><\/a>!<\/strong>Follow me on Twitch<\/u><\/a>!<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/span>yo<\/a>http:\/\/vsrg.club\/<\/strong><\/center><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Agka<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 680 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed January 2009<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Agka<\/a>\n\n \n 2013-08-05T01:51:11+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Nice post Drace.I'd like to sum it up.All there is to this game is attitude: if you want to be good at the game, play to get good at it. That means getting out of your comfort zone and trying new things. If you are a bad player and will just spend the whole day complaining about how everything is out of your reach, find a new hobby- even more so when there's people actually improving. If you're not, you're the only one to blame.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Bobbias<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 1,447 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed March 2011<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Bobbias<\/a>\n\n \n 2013-08-05T03:07:20+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Drace wrote:<\/h4>I like to refer to such situations to a \"click\". It's more common in the early stages since you haven't yet explored many patterns. Although it may not seem like it, you are sometimes closer than you think to be able to read a certain pattern. It just takes that missing something, then \"click\" the pattern makes sense. It's not at all uncommon, I can think of a couple patterns in which I myself learned this way.<\/blockquote>Yeah, I usually call those moments \"clicking\" as well, actually. Haven't been able to think of a better word lol. And yeah they tend to happen more often earlier on, but they can still happen at any time.Agka wrote:<\/h4>All there is to this game is attitude: if you want to be good at the game, play to get good at it. That means getting out of your comfort zone and trying new things. If you are a bad player and will just spend the whole day complaining about how everything is out of your reach, find a new hobby- even more so when there's people actually improving. If you're not, you're the only one to blame.<\/blockquote>I wouldn't quite say that's summing up what Drace posted, but it's still true. It's entirely possible to only ever play music games on a casual level, but you cant expect to get good without legitimate effort.Personally, my mindset is that I want to improve, not to be highly ranked, not to get top 50 scores so people can be amazed by my \"l33t skillz\", but because I find that I have more fun playing harder things. The more challenging a map is, the better I feel when I finally it. Ranks are nice in that they make you feel like you're competing with other people, but as far as I'm concerned the only person I'm truly competing with is myself.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Looking for mods for my mania map Minori Chihara - Kyoukai no Kanata (TV Size)<\/a>.<\/span>Need some tips on how to improve in osu!mania? Try reading our guide<\/a> and map suggestions<\/a>!Need some tips on how to map in osu!mania better? Try reading this guide<\/a>!Looking for the o2jam skin I use? This folder<\/a> has it and a few other o!m skins!<\/strong>Message me if this link doesn't work, and I will update it.<\/span><\/center><\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Jin Xero<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 44 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed June 2013<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Jin Xero<\/a>\n\n \n 2013-08-05T06:15:03+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Where was this guide when i first started >.<! Solid tips mate, really enjoyed it and very thoughtful to read. It's been only a month only a month since i started mania, but i can say start getting a feel to the harder songs, try em(especially un-ranked ones!)<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n 4o4c6x